Comments on: Peter Gentry on verbal aspect in Greek http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2010/04/peter-gentry-on-verbal-aspect-in-greek/ Removing the mystery from discourse grammar Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:31:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Jared Lovell http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2010/04/peter-gentry-on-verbal-aspect-in-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-3210 Jared Lovell Sat, 28 May 2011 15:29:15 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=1231#comment-3210 Sorry about the last reply, I got mixed up: I meant to say: "Or is that aspect is so bound up with TIME for there to be such distinctions..." In addition to this, does Gentry really view Stative aspect as the most basic choice? I only say this because in the handout he talks of the Fientive as the unmarked choice of the first binary set and then the Perfective of the second binary set. Jared Sorry about the last reply, I got mixed up: I meant to say: “Or is that aspect is so bound up with TIME for there to be such distinctions…”

In addition to this, does Gentry really view Stative aspect as the most basic choice? I only say this because in the handout he talks of the Fientive as the unmarked choice of the first binary set and then the Perfective of the second binary set.

Jared

]]> By: Jared Lovell http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2010/04/peter-gentry-on-verbal-aspect-in-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-3209 Jared Lovell Fri, 27 May 2011 23:08:13 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=1231#comment-3209 I see. I am not familiar with the slogan but understand what it's getting at! Would you say then that there is certainly a "stative" aspect, as opposed to it being an Aktionsart (Fanning, Campbell or not. Or is it that aspect is too bound up with aspect for there to be such distinctions and if this is the case is there even a perfective/imperfective dichotomy? (Also how do you pronounce your last name?!) Jared I see. I am not familiar with the slogan but understand what it’s getting at! Would you say then that there is certainly a “stative” aspect, as opposed to it being an Aktionsart (Fanning, Campbell or not. Or is it that aspect is too bound up with aspect for there to be such distinctions and if this is the case is there even a perfective/imperfective dichotomy?

(Also how do you pronounce your last name?!)

Jared

]]> By: Steve Runge http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2010/04/peter-gentry-on-verbal-aspect-in-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-3207 Steve Runge Fri, 27 May 2011 23:00:46 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=1231#comment-3207 I generally refer to the aorist/perfective aspect as the one you chose "when you don't care enough to send the very best," if you are familiar with the American Hallmark Card company slogan. In that sense, it is where things begin. If you want to accomplish something other than just a simple report, i.e. to set up a state of affairs out ow which some subsequent action occur, then you move on to another aspectual form to accomplish it. Gentry's view would argue that stative is the most basic choice, with the others chose based on wanting to represent something other than stative aspect. It is essentially an academic chicken vs. egg debate, I'd say we end up in largely the same place in terms of exegesis. I generally refer to the aorist/perfective aspect as the one you chose “when you don’t care enough to send the very best,” if you are familiar with the American Hallmark Card company slogan. In that sense, it is where things begin. If you want to accomplish something other than just a simple report, i.e. to set up a state of affairs out ow which some subsequent action occur, then you move on to another aspectual form to accomplish it. Gentry’s view would argue that stative is the most basic choice, with the others chose based on wanting to represent something other than stative aspect. It is essentially an academic chicken vs. egg debate, I’d say we end up in largely the same place in terms of exegesis.

]]> By: Jared Lovell http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2010/04/peter-gentry-on-verbal-aspect-in-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-3205 Jared Lovell Fri, 27 May 2011 22:54:16 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=1231#comment-3205 Interesting! I've read Gentry's hand-out and thought that the "stative" vs. "fientive" approach made quite a lot of sense. What would be the alternative or what are the merits of the other view held (i.e. imperfective vs. perfective - as a first choice?) Jared Interesting! I’ve read Gentry’s hand-out and thought that the “stative” vs. “fientive” approach made quite a lot of sense. What would be the alternative or what are the merits of the other view held (i.e. imperfective vs. perfective – as a first choice?)

Jared

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