Comments on: The many faces of ‘this’, part 2 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/ Removing the mystery from discourse grammar Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:49:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Intro to near/far distinctions « NT Discourse http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Intro to near/far distinctions « NT Discourse Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:17 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-35 [...] is a follow up post to the ones on the contemptuous use of “this”, parts one, two, and three. If you only see them when they have been co-opted for pragmatic purposes, you might get [...] [...] is a follow up post to the ones on the contemptuous use of “this”, parts one, two, and three. If you only see them when they have been co-opted for pragmatic purposes, you might get [...]

]]> By: murf http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-22 murf Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:44:14 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-22 Definitely concur with Seumas. There is a certain kind of genius in being able to explain stuff like this for the masses that few people seem to have. It's nice to find one who does. Definitely concur with Seumas. There is a certain kind of genius in being able to explain stuff like this for the masses that few people seem to have. It’s nice to find one who does.

]]> By: The many faces of ‘this’, part 3 « NT Discourse http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-18 The many faces of ‘this’, part 3 « NT Discourse Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:29:27 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-18 [...] is a continuation from my post Saturday on referential indefinites like “this guy”. It talked about how you can add [...] [...] is a continuation from my post Saturday on referential indefinites like “this guy”. It talked about how you can add [...]

]]> By: Seumas http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Seumas Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:03:34 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-17 Just wanted to say, I am greatly enjoying your posts. You have a good knack for explaining what could be complex matters, in a straightforward way, and illustrating what the value of all this grammar is for our understanding. Just wanted to say, I am greatly enjoying your posts. You have a good knack for explaining what could be complex matters, in a straightforward way, and illustrating what the value of all this grammar is for our understanding.

]]> By: Steve http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Steve Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:44:32 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-16 Trierr, The best way to answer this would be for you to do an historical study of either how grammarians have handled the issue, or alternatively how the ancient exegetes viewed the usage in context. I have seen enough of the same usage in different languages that I am willing to accept it. Do some digging in something like the Ancient Christian Commentary and see what the ancients had to say. To clarify, I am not claiming the contemptuous usage of the classical grammarians, but merely the effect of distancing. The ues of the referential indefinite demonstrative here has the effect of porptraying the entity as distant to the hearer. Jamie, It is too early to tell exactly what will happen. We will likely seek a print version of the second electronic version, so that bugs can get worked out. Trierr,
The best way to answer this would be for you to do an historical study of either how grammarians have handled the issue, or alternatively how the ancient exegetes viewed the usage in context. I have seen enough of the same usage in different languages that I am willing to accept it. Do some digging in something like the Ancient Christian Commentary and see what the ancients had to say.

To clarify, I am not claiming the contemptuous usage of the classical grammarians, but merely the effect of distancing. The ues of the referential indefinite demonstrative here has the effect of porptraying the entity as distant to the hearer.

Jamie,
It is too early to tell exactly what will happen. We will likely seek a print version of the second electronic version, so that bugs can get worked out.

]]> By: Jamie Macleod http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Jamie Macleod Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:48:40 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-15 Will you only publish your grammar throught Logos or will a paper copy also be available? Will you only publish your grammar throught Logos or will a paper copy also be available?

]]> By: Trierr http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Trierr Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:19:32 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-14 To our ears, this indeed sounds sound contemptuous. But what about to first century Greek readers? Did they hear it this the same way? To our ears, this indeed sounds sound contemptuous. But what about to first century Greek readers? Did they hear it this the same way?

]]> By: Wayne Leman http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/analyze-this-the-many-faces-of-this-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Wayne Leman Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:06:35 +0000 http://www.ntdiscourse.org/?p=93#comment-12 <i>Isn’t grammar wonderful?</i> Yes, indeed! Isn’t grammar wonderful?

Yes, indeed!

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